Releasing Trauma from the Body for More Freedom | Ann Hince
Episode # 22
Ann has a YouTube channel where she shares her journey, explains the connection between the physical and the spiritual, and will be posting videos of how to change the pressing issues of our time. Her book, A Pathway to Insight, details her journey and breaks down the steps she took to attain what she calls Insight, or the ability to see within the body.
“Emotions get trapped in the body.”
Summary
In this enlightening conversation, Jessica Vanrose and Anne Hince explore the profound impact of emotional healing through techniques like EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique). They discuss how trapped emotions can affect both mental and physical health, the importance of self-awareness in the healing journey, and practical steps to release emotional tension. Anne shares her personal journey of healing from trauma and the transformative changes she experienced, emphasizing the interconnectedness of mind and body. The episode concludes with practical tips for listeners to begin their own healing journey and resources for further exploration.
Takeaways
Emotions can become trapped in the body due to being afraid to feel them.
EFT is a powerful tool for releasing repressed emotions.
Healing is a journey that involves uncovering layers of trauma.
Daily emotional awareness can lead to significant changes.
The body holds tension related to past traumas and emotions.
Releasing emotional tension can lead to physical changes in the body.
Self-awareness deepens as we engage in emotional healing practices.
The law of attraction is influenced by our emotional state.
Tension in the body can affect our interactions and relationships.
Healing allows us to experience life more fully and deeply.
“Tapping releases the tension stored in the nervous system.”
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Healing Through Emotions
02:47 Understanding Trapped Emotions
06:00 The Journey Begins: EFT and Emotional Release
08:30 Daily Practices for Emotional Awareness
11:21 The Power of Tapping: Techniques and Benefits
14:08 Self-Awareness and Emotional Sensations
17:08 The Connection Between Emotions and Physical Health
20:18 Exploring Inner Awareness and Tension Release
22:48 The Impact of Emotional Release on Physical Alignment
25:47 Transforming Life Through Emotional Healing
28:45 The Law of Attraction and Emotional Signals
31:22 Navigating Emotional Tension in Daily Life
34:07 A Guided EFT Session
36:55 Final Thoughts on Emotional Healing
“We are like an onion, layers upon layers.”
Transcript
Jessica Vanrose (00:01.256)
Welcome or welcome back to Life After Trauma. I'm your host Jess, a certified trauma informed life coach. If you're new to the podcast, we bring women from around the world together through conversations that will empower, support and inspire you on your healing journey. This week on the podcast, we have Anne Hince author of A Pathway to Insight. After a visit with a holistic doctor, Anne was able to release deeply repressed emotions
from past trauma and see significant changes in her life and body. Today, Anne and I will be discussing the techniques she used to release trauma and repressed emotions so that you can do the same to help you along your healing journey. Hi, Anne, thank you so much for being here today. Before we get into discussing EFT and the other healing modalities you've had success with.
Can we talk about why emotions and trauma get trapped in the body?
Ann Hince (01:03.767)
Well, they get trapped in the body because we don't know how to deal with them. Right? We're not taught how to work with them. And so we end up suppressing them and they just get stored inside and we, we have no idea. We don't know that's what's happening until we maybe at some point realize it's happened and we go back and undo all that stuffing that we've done all over the years. But some of us never do that. My brother never did that and he's died already. So
and some of us decide to do it and some of us don't, which is an interesting question in itself.
Jessica Vanrose (01:38.516)
It's hard work, isn't it? Like, I completely understand what you're saying. It's I have you ever read the Untethered Soul? Same. Yes. OK. So it's like that chapter where he's talking about the triggers and he uses that example about the thorn. I actually talked about this on the last podcast recording I did. But for anybody who didn't listen to that one, what he's saying is that our repressed emotion is like you have a thorn in you.
Ann Hince (01:46.071)
I love that book, yes, multiple times.
Jessica Vanrose (02:07.69)
And so if somebody says something or does something and it kind of pushes up against that thorn, then you are like, okay, that hurts. And that's when you realize that there's like something there. There's something under the surface.
Ann Hince (02:22.703)
Yeah, and that's what's happened to me. That was what started my journey. And it was a couple of other mothers at my boy's school. And we were just talking, I had a little business at the time and I made a decision that these two other women who were very self confident, self assured, authority type women in my mind, and I was not, I was a scared mother on the inside. And they told me I'd done something wrong.
Jessica Vanrose (02:27.969)
Yeah.
Ann Hince (02:47.663)
So they pushed up against my thorn and my mind just spun out of control. I could not stop it spinning just over everything. Over what I'd said, what they said, what I did, what I could have done differently. All those different permutations would not stop spinning through my mind. And it was at the end of that, that I realized, okay, this is not normal. And it felt a little bit like how I'd react when my dad, who was my authority figure, had told me I'd done something wrong.
Jessica Vanrose (02:50.066)
Mm -hmm.
Ann Hince (03:17.973)
So that was that little opening that that thorn started to pull out a little bit and I could see that it was there and that's what started the journey for me.
Jessica Vanrose (03:26.986)
Yeah, I find that so interesting. Like, I think we all have experienced those moments where something happens and your mind is just racing afterwards and you wish you could like take back the words or you're you're going over everything that was said, like that you said that this person said, like analyzing it from every single aspect that you can. And then eventually at some point, you just have to realize like this is doing nothing.
Ann Hince (03:54.773)
Right. But for me, was like, looking back on it later, you at the time, it was incredibly traumatic, but looking back on it, it's like, that's what that's what started my journey. And if those two women had not done that, would I have had the opportunity or the realization that my childhood was still affecting me? I don't know. Right. So it was a good thing.
Jessica Vanrose (04:16.084)
Yeah, definitely. Well, and I think like, we have these opportunities come into our life, where we can choose what we do with it. So that could have been a moment for you, where you just let it kind of let the situation make you spiral. Did I say that right? Or you can take it and learn from it and realize that there's something like more that you want to do. So
That's really amazing. So how did you start your journey?
Ann Hince (04:51.323)
Well, I didn't know what to do at the time because I had tried things over the years. Like I knew I was reactionary. I knew I had PTSD. I knew that that just got me to the point where I was absolutely determined to change. And it was in that timeframe that I went to this doctor's appointment and he was a holistic physician. So he had more tools in his toolbox. He was also a parent at my school. So he actually knew me from my kids. You know, he knew me as another parent at the school.
Jessica Vanrose (04:53.655)
Hmm.
Ann Hince (05:19.633)
And he knew I shouldn't have been that stressed out because I was a stay at home mother with two healthy young boys, right? Everything was pretty good. But he recognized that I was really stressed. And he asked me on the scale of zero through 10 what my stress level was. And I said eight. And then he asked me why. And that was the question that made me realize, OK, it was finding my mother dead on the bathroom floor when I was 19.
because the tears from that event was still just under the surface two decades later because I hadn't dealt with it. But that was kind of the trauma, the big trauma that was on top of all the other ones. It was the one I had to deal with. And he tapped with me. He uses technique EFT, which is short for emotional freedom technique. It's also called tapping because we're tapping on certain places on our body as we're talking something through. So he tapped with me about my mother's death for about 15 minutes.
And you know, that's a long time for a doctor. I let the tears flow. And when I walked away from that appointment, I could tell the story of her death in my mind for the first time ever without those tears wanting to come up. So that was the beginning.
Jessica Vanrose (06:26.424)
That's so incredible. Like that's obviously a very, very traumatic event. And it makes sense that that was like stored in you for so long. And to see that much of a shift after just one 15 minute session that you were able to, I'm sure there was more work to do than that, but at least release like
those emotions that were right under the surface to be able to talk about it and share that story. That's really incredible. For sure.
Ann Hince (07:06.095)
Yeah, I mean, we have, we're really like an onion, you know, we really have layer upon layer upon layer upon layer of all these different, the trauma and the programming, just everything that's stored inside of us. But you've got to get that first layer uncovered before you can start, you know, opening up and finding out everything that's inside. So for me, that big event.
of my mother's death was just holding everything in. So I needed to work through it. And you're right, it wasn't just that one session. I had to go through it multiple times. And that's one of the things you do with EFT is you go through a story from the beginning to the end, you talk through it exactly what happens. And then you go back to the beginning again, and you do it again. And each time you do that, the subconscious mind is opening up and showing you more details of the story.
that you had forgotten that been hidden in your subconscious mind. So as you do it more and more, you get more details of the story, which is also how we open up our childhood, right? I think you had a hard time remembering your childhood. I did too. And it was all hidden underneath all these other traumas. So that's how you do it with EFT. You just go through the story again and again, tapping through it each time, tapping as the emotions come up until you can
Jessica Vanrose (08:07.595)
Yeah.
Jessica Vanrose (08:11.328)
Yeah.
Ann Hince (08:25.521)
talk through the whole story with no emotions left at all. And it just sounds like you're reading from a book. And that's how you know you've cleared it.
Jessica Vanrose (08:33.226)
Wow. Wow. So that you saying that, well, I mean, I know you mentioned the layers, but it is literally working through so like you're starting at kind of a top layer, and then you're tapping on that and then you keep working like deeper and deeper. Is that right?
Ann Hince (08:54.789)
Yeah, I mean, there's different ways to go about it. When I started with EFT, I just worked on day to day. I'd worked on my mother right through this doctor, worked on that memory, but I would use it more on a day to day basis. So I had noticed during the day when I was feeling emotional, I had two young boys at home. So it was easy for me to get emotional and I would notice if I was getting frustrated or something. And then I would tap, I would tap on, you know, I'm frustrated. I'm frustrated that this happened or that happened.
or whatever it was until the frustration had left. And the tapping itself releases the tension that's stored in the nervous system. So it kind of creates an interrupt. So we start reacting differently. We let the emotion leave the body and then next time we don't react the same way. So I would do that, bring myself back to peace, carry on with my day and then notice the next time. And as you start to work with that, you become able to catch it earlier.
Jessica Vanrose (09:42.808)
Okay.
Ann Hince (09:54.397)
So to begin with, I might only notice one time a day when I'm becoming emotional, but each day I'd keep doing it and I'd become more and more aware and would catch it earlier. And I could tell things were changing. I could tell I wasn't getting as emotional, which was really nice, but I wanted more and I wanted it faster. So I wrote down all my traumas, all my emotional memories, all the programming, all the phrases my dad would use, all those things, sheets and sheets of paper, and I tapped through one each night.
So one of the things you're doing with tapping, you know, one of the things I tapped on, let's see if I can think of something, something like a phrase my dad would use, know, stop crying or I'll give you something to cry about, you know, yeah, that's a phrase, yes, right. So I might tap on that. And as I tapped on that and the...
Jessica Vanrose (10:40.232)
yeah, that's the common one.
Ann Hince (10:48.727)
Emotion starts to dissipate memories of times when he said that would pop into my mind. And then I could tap through one of those memories at a time, each one at a time, and release the motions around those particular episodes. Right? So that is the onion unraveling, right? The memories are connected. They're all connected inside of you.
Jessica Vanrose (10:55.906)
Hmm.
Ann Hince (11:12.377)
So even anything that's happening right now, right? If you're seeing something on the news or some person has said something that triggers you, you could work on where you feel with that right now. But as you do that, as the emotion releases, a memory of when you've experienced the same feeling before will probably pop into your mind. Then you can work on that one. Then maybe as you release that one, another memory might pop into your mind. Maybe someone...
else reminds you of that same person who said that same thing, that will pop into your mind. So you just go deeper and deeper and deeper inside of your memory or inside of your subconscious mind, and it all starts to unravel.
Jessica Vanrose (11:51.914)
Wow. Wow. I mean, that's really cool. Who would have thought that just tapping somewhere would be able to do all of this? Wow. Now, it sounds like a lot of dedication. How long did this take you in the evening to do like for each thing you wrote down?
Ann Hince (11:56.062)
It is!
Ann Hince (12:05.103)
Yeah.
Ann Hince (12:18.135)
I was very dedicated. I was determined to change. So I would tap for about an hour to an hour and a half each night on one episode or one belief and then go to the next one the next night. I would also review the previous night's one to make sure it was cleared. And if it was, and I might have to do something else, right? Cause the subconscious mind is opening up. So more details of a memory might come up and then you might have something more to tap on. So.
Jessica Vanrose (12:20.374)
Yeah.
Ann Hince (12:46.041)
Yeah, and, you know, I went through all those sheets of paper. So I don't know, I wish I had kept a diary or something at the time. But, you know, it was many, many weeks, probably months that I did it until I'd gone through them all. But but the changes were just absolutely worth doing, you know, because it's stored tension, it's tension that's been stored inside for decades. It's got to feel good to release and it does feel good.
Jessica Vanrose (13:07.405)
Right.
Jessica Vanrose (13:11.402)
Yeah, so I'm wondering for people who might not have the time to be able to dedicate that much every evening, is it still effective if you are spending less time doing it?
Ann Hince (13:29.521)
Absolutely, it's effective. It's just probably not as, you you still need the time because, if, right, yes, because the emotions are still stored inside and you've got to allow them time to release, allow them the tapping time for them to release. Yeah, but I mean, you can do it, you know, you spend five minutes going to the bathroom during the day, right, you can tap sitting on the toilet. Yeah.
Jessica Vanrose (13:33.352)
Yeah, it will take longer.
Jessica Vanrose (13:44.428)
Yeah.
Jessica Vanrose (13:51.114)
Okay, so it's not like, like it has to be you necessarily intentionally setting aside time for this. Like you can do it throughout the day. I mean, you're sitting in traffic.
Ann Hince (14:06.192)
No.
Ann Hince (14:13.501)
Yeah, I don't recommend driving and doing it at the beginning, but eventually you'll be able to do it. And I can easily drive and tap at the same time. So, but, but to begin with, until you really know the points and you're really confident doing it, I wouldn't do it, but you can do it sitting at the traffic lights and yeah. And all you're doing is, especially if you have the emotion already, right? If you're frustrated already, or if you're feeling some emotion, you don't even need to use words, right? You can just tap and the
Jessica Vanrose (14:16.31)
okay.
Jessica Vanrose (14:30.882)
Yeah.
Ann Hince (14:41.777)
tapping itself will allow the emotion to release. But you use words to bring the emotion back, to bring the memory back into the body and the emotions back into the body. And then the tapping releases the emotions. So that's why when we're talking, like if I was talking through my mother's death, I'd say the words to bring myself back to that moment, to bring the emotions back into the body so that I can release them.
Jessica Vanrose (14:55.646)
Okay.
Jessica Vanrose (15:07.73)
Right. So if the emotion is readily available, you are currently feeling it, then you don't necessarily need to be saying anything along with it. But if you if there's like something specific in your mind where you're like, I know I need to do some healing or some releasing around this area, then you would call it back in by like saying your statement or whatever it is. Okay.
Ann Hince (15:34.211)
Yes, yes. My younger son used to have nightmares when he was around eight or so, something like that. And I would just go and tap on him, right? He already had the fear of whatever he'd been dreaming in his body. I would just tap gently on his points and then he would get to the place he'd say, okay, mom, you can go now. I can go back to sleep. So yeah, you don't need to say anything.
Jessica Vanrose (15:42.274)
Hmm.
Jessica Vanrose (15:56.414)
Wow, okay, that's incredible and that's really accessible.
Ann Hince (16:00.973)
Absolutely. It's so easy to do. Yeah. Now there are a lot of YouTube videos and such online about using EFT. There's a couple of things to keep in mind. A lot of them use scripts, so they use words and you tap along with those words. However, those words are not your words. Your words are what resonate inside of your body and you want to use your own words if you can. And you want to stick with the negative.
You know, we're so programmed that we need to go to the positive, right? We should be thinking positively, but we're not. This is a technique that releases the negative. It's only the negative that is stored in the body as tension. So we have to stick with negative, even though it might feel uncomfortable to begin with. It's the negative that's stuck in there, right? It's the traumas, it's the sad things, it's the humiliations, it's all the bad stuff. And that's what we're looking for.
Jessica Vanrose (16:53.59)
Okay. So in a previous interview you did, you said that eventually you were able to hold your awareness inside your body. So I'm wondering when we do a body scan, it's relatively easy to pinpoint physical pain in the body. But when we're doing a scan for emotional pain, like to see or figure out where we're holding those repressed emotions,
Will we come across like different emotions such as fear or sadness or anger or like what would it feel like? What should what should we expect with that?
Ann Hince (17:33.061)
Okay, this is a tricky question because it depends on our depth of self awareness. So when I started this journey, I didn't have any self awareness. I did not know what emotion I was feeling. I didn't know anything about where I was feeling it at all. But what EFT does is you do it more and more your self awareness deepens as the subconscious mind opens up they are kind of one and the same thing.
Jessica Vanrose (17:38.08)
Okay.
Jessica Vanrose (17:47.82)
Yeah, yeah.
Ann Hince (17:57.357)
So you start to become aware of your emotions. So you'd be able to name your emotion, right? It would be easy to name your emotion. Okay, I'm feeling really frustrated because this or that happens. You can verbalize it very easily. The next layer of self -awareness is being aware of the physical sensations of the emotions. So frustration is held somewhere in the body. Now,
I could not have told you where it was held in the body when I started this work, right? But now I can. Frustration for me is like in my sternum and my ribs, my solar plexus area. Can you tell where frustration is in your body?
Jessica Vanrose (18:28.109)
Right.
Jessica Vanrose (18:38.764)
I don't think so. I don't think so. Would it feel like, so those areas that you're mentioning, would you feel just like tension there? Okay.
Ann Hince (18:41.261)
Hahaha
Ann Hince (18:51.941)
Yes, it's tension is tightness. Yes. So if you think you're frustrated, try and work out where you're feeling tense in your body. Different from other tension, right? I mean, we're often tense a lot of the time, but what's specific to frustration?
Jessica Vanrose (19:02.348)
you
Jessica Vanrose (19:08.738)
Yeah, and I'm trying to think back because I remember I was frustrated this morning and I'm trying to think about how I was feeling and I can't, no, I'm not sure. No.
Ann Hince (19:20.463)
Yeah, and see, I couldn't have done that either, right? So you can't really ask someone, well, you can ask someone that question, but whether they can answer you depends on their level or the depths of self -awareness. But when I became aware at that level, then I didn't need to use EFT as much. And what I did was I focused on that tension. I could feel the tension and I just focused on it because my ability to focus had been honed by all this tapping work.
Jessica Vanrose (19:32.514)
Yeah.
Jessica Vanrose (19:48.875)
Okay.
Ann Hince (19:49.105)
I could I could keep my focus on one thing, one feeling and keep it there. So that's what I did with these sensations. I would just hold my focus on the sensations and at some point I would actually feel them release. Which was nice. So I kept doing that instead of tapping. I still tap as well, but that was kind of, it felt like the next level, the next layer of the journey for me. Yeah.
Jessica Vanrose (20:04.308)
Okay. Yeah.
Jessica Vanrose (20:17.848)
For sure. Yeah. So we can become more aware by starting with the EFT tapping, using the statements or if that feeling is readily available. And then from time doing that, our awareness will naturally grow and we might be able to move on to where you were at next.
Ann Hince (20:31.802)
Right.
Ann Hince (20:43.247)
Right? Because each time we let go of one of those hidden emotions or that hidden tension, we're kind of releasing one layer of us. We're letting go of one barrier, one shield that protects us, that prevents us from going inside. So as we release that layer upon layer upon layer, we're able to get deeper inside of us. So we'd be able to become aware of ourselves at a deeper level. Yeah.
Jessica Vanrose (20:49.496)
Yeah.
Jessica Vanrose (21:10.423)
Hmmmm
Ann Hince (21:11.567)
So for me, that was the second step. And then I went further still, you know, one point, at one point I realized I could put my awareness inside my body and keep it there after the tension had released, which I know sounds like a really weird thing to say. it, you know, I, I've tried to put it in words over the years, but imagine you have a toothache or a stomach ache, right? You can feel, you can sense where that pain is coming from.
Jessica Vanrose (21:15.755)
What came next?
Jessica Vanrose (21:28.716)
Please explain.
Jessica Vanrose (21:41.601)
Yes.
Ann Hince (21:42.085)
But once the pain has left, you can't put your awareness back on where it was because there's nothing calling your attention to it anymore. Right. I found that I could, I could go back inside and I could sense inside. could feel around. I could feel tension versus no tension. I could sense it was dark versus light. And so I started to play it. I was just playing and I thought, well, okay, well what happens now? So I just kind of move my awareness around inside and
Jessica Vanrose (21:49.686)
Right.
Ann Hince (22:11.663)
I found a place for tension and then I would do the same thing. I would focus on it, just hold my awareness on it, not try and change it. So that's something else that we do with EFT, right? We're just accepting how we're feeling. We're accepting what we're thinking. We're accepting the story we're telling ourselves. We're just accepting it and the tapping releases the energy. So when we're able to feel the sensations, we're doing the same thing. We're just focusing on it, allowing it to be felt.
Jessica Vanrose (22:20.706)
Okay.
Jessica Vanrose (22:33.77)
Okay.
Ann Hince (22:42.019)
not changing it, we're not trying to change it, although obviously we want it to release, but we're not trying to change it. It changes by being accepted and acknowledged and felt, and then it releases on its own.
Jessica Vanrose (22:55.904)
Wow, okay.
Wow, you said a couple of things that I was like, I need to ask about this. Okay, so one, the first one I'm thinking of, the darkness and lightness. Can you maybe just clarify on that? what does that feel like or what does, take us deeper.
Ann Hince (23:24.645)
Well, let me try and explain that I've never actually explained that before so imagine you've got your eyes closed at night right it's dark. But if someone puts a light on somewhere with your eyes closed you can sense that it's light right? There's some light somewhere, right? So you're sensing dark versus light even though you've got your eyes closed Well, it's the same thing inside. I can sense where it's dark, which is where the tension is
Jessica Vanrose (23:30.423)
Mm -hmm.
Jessica Vanrose (23:40.638)
Yeah, right, you're
Mm -hmm.
Ann Hince (23:52.399)
where there's tension, there's darkness. And as the tension releases, the light kind of fills it in underneath it. The light was there all along, but it was kind of being held out by the darkness. And as we release the tension, it goes back to light.
Jessica Vanrose (24:09.982)
Okay, is this connected to like the third eye? That's what that makes me think of.
Ann Hince (24:15.289)
I believe so. Yes, I talk of it as the inner eye because it allows me to see inwards, Inward sight or inside sight.
Jessica Vanrose (24:23.624)
Right. Yes. Okay. Very interesting. Okay. So what else did you do on the healing journey? Was there another step or is that was that all of them?
Ann Hince (24:36.665)
Well, that's where I am now. It took me a long time, but eventually I could put my awareness inside my head, which was huge. I worked in my body for quite a while. I kept trying to see if I could get inside my head and I couldn't, but eventually I could. And that was wild for me because the pain and the tension inside my head was just unbearable. It was unbelievable how much pain and tension was inside my head that I had no idea was there because it was stuck in my subconscious mind.
Until I became aware of it and then I could would do the same thing and just do the same thing over and over again right? I'd focus at this incredible pain inside my left cheek and I would just focus on it for a second or two Just feel it and it would release just do it over and over and at one point I got to a place where I actually heard and felt something release and It sounded and it felt like old fabric ripping and it was kind of scary at the time. I didn't know what I was doing
Jessica Vanrose (25:20.034)
Hmm.
Ann Hince (25:33.285)
But that's when I did some research and realized, okay, I think it's an adhesion in the connective tissue that is releasing. So I realized I wasn't hurting myself. So I carried on and I just kept releasing more and more. And it got to the place where I could actually feel my skull bones actually relax. And I hadn't known they weren't relaxed before. That's part of this journey. We have no idea how much is hidden inside, but I felt them relax. So I knew they had been tense.
Jessica Vanrose (25:53.139)
Right.
Ann Hince (26:00.867)
And I just kept going. I'm just now relaxing or releasing tension stored in my cheekbones, my jaw bones inside my pallets, just inside my skull and just releasing tension over and over every day.
Jessica Vanrose (26:14.454)
Wow. So while we're talking about the changes that you saw, you, well, can you take us through what are all of the changes that you saw through doing this?
Ann Hince (26:25.377)
Okay, so I had some x -rays taken. That was just I've had orthodontic work three times throughout my life. So they were just regular orthodontic photos. I had a new set taken. And I knew things had shifted. So I went back and found the old photos so I could see what had changed. And my eye sockets had aligned. And I hadn't realized they weren't aligned before but I could see that they were that they had shifted. I could see that my neck is straightened straightened.
I've got more to do for sure, but it's much straighter than it's ever been in my life. My jawbone was way off to the side. Again, I hadn't looked at my old x -ray, so I hadn't realized how far off it was, but now it's much more centered. So I think those are the main things. And then I've grown three quarters of an inch because of that decompression of my neck and you know, everything else, that burden that's been lifted from me has allowed me to grow.
Jessica Vanrose (27:23.832)
That's like incredible. Wow. What do you think it is that like caused it? Like how did physical changes occur from releasing emotions?
Ann Hince (27:27.951)
you
Ann Hince (27:43.845)
Because it's all connected. The emotions are actually stored in those physical sensations, right? That's tension in our body. And as we release that tension at a deeper and deeper level, it is affecting the physical. It's all connected. I believe I'm looking, was looking through the connective tissue, right? So all this tension, I believe is stored in the connective tissue, which is throughout our whole body. It's all connected. So we release tension in one place. I release tension somewhere in my torso. It always releases in my neck as well.
Right? it's been oftentimes I will release something in my left cheek. It will release something in my right neck and it might go all the way down to my right foot. Right? So it doesn't matter whether we're working on the memories or the emotions, they're still working on the physical or we can work on the physical and it's also connected to the memories and the emotions. So when I first was able to put my awareness inside, I would focus on a place with tension.
And often as it released, a memory would pop into my mind of the place memory of something that happens. And the memory would just go poof, it would just disappear. I wouldn't keep hold of the memory. But it was totally connected to that tension that just released. It's all connected.
Jessica Vanrose (29:00.344)
Fascinating. So fascinating. So this is similar or I guess the same to like, I think that I believe that holding like emotions, especially like those negative, negative emotions, I say quotes, because I think all emotions are emotions that are meant to be felt. But like, if you're holding like anger,
or resentment, then it can really affect your body to the point where I do believe that it can cause like physical illnesses, like dis -ease, right? Disease. Is that, like that's connected here, right?
Ann Hince (29:46.257)
Absolutely. Yes. Yeah, it's all the same. I think emotions are dis -ease inside of the body. So we want to find them and release them. It's just energy that's stuck in the body. This really helped me once I really grasped this, that the memories, the traumas, the emotions are simply energy that is stuck inside of our body, right? It's nowhere else, right? Different people have different memories. It's just inside of our body.
And once we release it, it's gone, right? The dis -ease has gone. And we start attracting different things into our future because we're then different people. That's what I wanted. I wanted my life to be different. I wanted to feel different. I wanted to be different. And to do that, I really had to change who I was on the inside. And what I realized is to do that, I had to release this tension that was stored in the connective tissue.
Jessica Vanrose (30:41.024)
Yeah, so that's like, like with law of attraction, it's all about like matching your vibration or whatever, right? So is that what you mean? Like by, by doing this, by releasing all of these repressed emotions and trauma, you were able to like shift your energy so that you were on like a different level to attract other things in? Is that kind of what you mean?
Ann Hince (31:08.655)
Yeah, I mean, I think of it slightly differently from other people who talk about it out there. I think of the whole of us as being a signal. Everything about us is part of our signal. So it's our size, it's our shape, it's our hair, right? It's our skin color. Everything about us is part of our signal, right? So if I shave off all my hair right now and go out into society, I'm going to attract different comments from people.
Right, different, like if I went to a store, someone might think I might need a hat, right? Because I wouldn't have any hair, right? I'm going to attract different things into my life because my physical aspect has changed. What we don't realize is that tension stored inside of us from past traumas is huge. Connective tissue pulls with a power of 2000 pounds per square inch. It's really...
unbelievable once you become aware of it, right? And it took me years and years and years to actually become aware of that force inside of me, pulling my face out of alignment, right? I think if we're perfectly symmetrical, we probably don't have those forces pulling us the same way. But if we do, that's a lot of force, right? So that really affects our signal. So if we release that tension, we're going to emit a very different signal.
And I think part of that signal is brainwaves. I know I've had several EEGs done and I know I have a lot of gamma rays, which are the high frequency rays and I didn't before, right? So I think that's part of raising the vibration. I think our brain waves change. I don't know that for sure, but that's what I think part of it is. And that's due to releasing all that tension from the past that stores inside of us.
Jessica Vanrose (32:39.295)
Okay.
Jessica Vanrose (32:55.66)
That's so fascinating. I feel like I might be backtracking a little bit here, but you just, you said something and it made me think of this. I'm wondering when we are holding tension in our body, I know you've mentioned like the physical changes, but in what ways is that tension like negatively affecting or can negatively affect? Because obviously you don't know for everybody.
but what are ways that it can negatively be affecting our lives?
Ann Hince (33:31.333)
Well, think of us as like a guitar, right? With strings, right? And the strings can be tuned or untuned, right? And if they're tuned too tightly, then we might be called highly strung, right? And someone who listens to that, whatever tune we're putting off, it's not going to feel comfortable to most people.
Jessica Vanrose (33:48.928)
I guess. Okay.
Ann Hince (34:00.229)
Right? It will sound out of tune, right? So we're not going to attract really nice people to us. We're going to attract people who kind of resonate with an out of tune guitar. Right? So that's kind of how it works. We're just going to attract things. Right? If we have trauma stored inside from something, you know, say we broke our leg or something, we're going to attract
Jessica Vanrose (34:14.848)
Hmm.
Ann Hince (34:27.811)
stories from people who have also broken their leg. If we hear someone talking somewhere in a crowd about a broken leg, we're going to be instantly attracted to them because we have that experience inside of us. So if we want to change what we're being attracted to, we want to change that story inside of us. And releasing all those different traumas and those memories, the emotional memories is going to change that story inside of us.
Jessica Vanrose (34:31.37)
Mm.
Jessica Vanrose (34:36.78)
Yeah.
Jessica Vanrose (34:56.532)
Yes, yes, I can totally see this. Yes, I am. I completely agree. I am on the same page as you. That's amazing. So it's it is literally all just connected. And yeah, wow. So you can like you can literally change your life just by starting at the beginning with tapping.
Ann Hince (35:05.992)
Okay, good.
Jessica Vanrose (35:25.085)
on different emotions that come up.
Ann Hince (35:27.673)
Absolutely. Yeah. I, one of the other things I did, and this is kind of further down, not a beginning, but further down a few years in is, one of those books, it wasn't Untethered Soul, but one of those in that grouping of books has lists of emotions. So I would just tap through each emotion. And because I'd opened my subconscious mind enough at that point, I could tap through an emotion like humiliation and all the memories.
Jessica Vanrose (35:45.997)
Mmm.
Ann Hince (35:57.561)
of humiliation would come to mind, right? And I could tap through each one so that the word humiliation really doesn't have anything inside of me anymore and really mean much because those memories are no longer triggered inside of me. Yeah, so that was a deeper layer of, a deeper way of clearing things out to do that. So yeah, I was determined.
Jessica Vanrose (36:00.248)
Wow.
Jessica Vanrose (36:13.611)
Yeah.
Jessica Vanrose (36:24.06)
Yeah, that is so incredible. So I'm wondering, can you possibly walk us through like a round of this so that if nobody has seen this before, they kind of have a better idea of how to do it?
Ann Hince (36:41.403)
Sure, let's do it. Okay, let's do a simple thing like I'm afraid of making a phone call. Like, cause I think a lot of people can have that experience or maybe you've always had or had at least one time. So what we do is we start with what we call the karate chop point, which is on the side of the hand and we're tapping firm enough that you're kind of creating an interrupt into the nervous system, but you're not hurting yourself, right? So,
Jessica Vanrose (36:42.698)
Okay.
Jessica Vanrose (36:47.991)
Okay.
Jessica Vanrose (36:59.928)
Bye.
Jessica Vanrose (37:08.119)
Okay.
Ann Hince (37:09.699)
I would say from what I can see, do a little harder, a little more firmly. Yeah. But yeah, just make sure you don't hurt yourself. And we start with a phrase or an opening statement. Now I've changed the way I say it because a lot of people had problems with the general opening statements. So I say something like, I'm afraid of making this phone call. That's my truth in this moment. And it's okay that I'm afraid of making this phone call.
Right, so you'd say that three times. I'm afraid of making this phone call. That's my truth in this moment. And it's okay that I'm afraid of making this phone call. I'm afraid of making this phone call. That's my truth in this moment. And it's okay that I'm afraid of making this phone call. Okay, and then you start on the first point is the crown point on the top of the head. I'm afraid of making this phone call. So you just shorten kind of what you're saying to the basics. I'm afraid of making this phone call.
Jessica Vanrose (37:41.88)
Okay.
Ann Hince (38:08.997)
You tap about seven times on each point. So that's the first point. The second point is the beginning of the eyebrow. I'm afraid of making this phone call And the next point is on the bone on the edge of the eye. I'm afraid of making this phone call The next point is the bone underneath the eye. I'm afraid of making this phone call Next point is under the nose. I'm afraid of making this phone call.
Next point is on the chin. I'm afraid of making this phone call. Two more points. Next one is the collarbone points. I use both hands. I'm afraid of making this phone call. And the last point is under the arm where the bra strap goes. If you have one, I'm afraid of making this phone call. And then you take a deep breath.
You let it out. And that's one round of EFT. So then you think about it again, how, how afraid of you making a swan call. And if the fear is still there, you do it again. Now, some memory comes up or some other thought, maybe you're afraid of what the person is going to say. Maybe you're afraid they're going to say no, or you're afraid they're going to say yes, or they're going to afraid they're going to reject you. Then you can change the wording and you can say, I'm afraid of being
Jessica Vanrose (39:03.617)
Okay.
Ann Hince (39:27.493)
rejected, I don't want to be rejected, right? Then you can say that. And then eventually you'll get to the place where you'll think, okay, I can make that phone call.
Jessica Vanrose (39:38.858)
Wow. I can tell you, I mean, I wasn't afraid of making a phone call, but after doing that, I actually am feeling so calm and like at peace. Like I like literally feel like my energy shifted. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that was very soothing.
Ann Hince (39:59.673)
Nice. Good.
Ann Hince (40:06.497)
Good. So now imagine if you're triggered, right, then you're emotional and you do that, right? It can allow you to relax and become peaceful again. Because when you go back to what I was talking about, the law of attraction, when we're emitting a signal, we're emitting a signal every second of every day. So if we're triggered, right, and reactionary and very emotional for a long period of time, that's the signal we're emitting for a long period of time.
Jessica Vanrose (40:12.375)
Yeah.
Ann Hince (40:33.455)
So if we can bring ourselves back to peace and just be emitting a peaceful signal, it's actually going to change our future because that's the signal we're emitting and what's what we're attracting back into our life. Yeah.
Jessica Vanrose (40:44.184)
Yeah.
Jessica Vanrose (40:48.28)
Bringing back in, yeah, for sure. Well, and I mean, who doesn't want to feel peaceful over stressed? So, yeah.
Ann Hince (40:56.061)
Yes. Well, some people are a little bit embarrassed by the tapping itself, right? That's why it's good to maybe do it in the bedroom or a bathroom and do it on your own for a little while. And when people are very comfortable, they're willing to do it in front of someone else. But, you know, it's something you can do on your own.
Jessica Vanrose (41:16.288)
Yeah, or you know, like us, we do it on a podcast. That's really incredible. I'm very excited to take this into my life and try and use it. Like, wow, is there anything else, like any other tips or anything that we should know?
Ann Hince (41:19.03)
That's right!
Ann Hince (41:42.853)
Well, let me tell you that I do have some resources for the tapping, My YouTube channel has a couple of videos about EFT. There's a demo video and the words to use. So I recommend those because they're not the positive ones. A lot of practitioners have moved more to the positive, right? They'll tap on the positive, right? I'm beautiful or I attract this money or whatever, but that's not what's stuck inside of us. It's the opposite that's stuck inside of us.
And if you go to my website, annhince.com there's a free PDF download, is my two page summary of EFT, right? It talks you through all the steps. So that's that.
Jessica Vanrose (42:23.028)
Yeah. And then in your book, do you, what do you outline in there?
Ann Hince (42:28.889)
I go through the three steps. I go all the way through EFT and then I go through feeling your feelings. And then I talk through actually being able to put your awareness inside your body. So, because I want people to get to that place, that's, that's where I am now. And life feels so different than it did before. And I didn't know what I can do now was possible. So I want other people to experience it and be able to shift their skull bones too, right? And grow as well.
Jessica Vanrose (42:55.852)
I could use some extra height. Wow. Yeah, that's amazing. Well, I will definitely have everything linked below. And I guess I was going to ask where, like for somebody brand new, where should they start? But I guess that's exactly it. They should start with the EFT and probably go to your website or your YouTube channel and follow along with a video. Yeah.
Ann Hince (42:58.09)
you
Ann Hince (43:24.341)
But even before that the very first step is just to start noticing during the day how you're feeling I would ask myself. Okay, how am I feeling right now? And do I want to feel this way again? so Start being aware of how you're feeling during the day because until you can do that until you can step back and say okay Look at me. I'm starting to get frustrated or I'm starting to get angry Until you can do that and separate yourself from the emotion. You can't do anything about it
But once you can notice that, then you can say, okay, I'm going to do something about it. And that's when you can tap, right? But you can't do that until you are aware of your emotions during the day. So that's always the first step.
Jessica Vanrose (44:05.922)
So when you were first starting out, did you set like a reminder or something to just check in with yourself every hour? I think I've heard before or was it literally just, I'm feeling a really strong emotion.
Ann Hince (44:21.293)
I'm not even sure we had cell phones back then. I probably put a post -it or something on the wall, right, on the bathroom windows to ask myself. That's probably what I did, because I still do that to this day. But yes, that is a good idea. Yes, set an alarm, a reminder throughout the day, just asking yourself and put words to it, right?
Jessica Vanrose (44:25.272)
Okay.
Jessica Vanrose (44:35.777)
Yeah.
And it.
Ann Hince (44:48.217)
I'm feeling frustrated because this didn't happen or this happened, right? Put words to it, because those would be the words then that you'd tap with. Right? Yeah. And then as you do more and more, you start becoming more aware of those emotions and then the physical sensations.
Jessica Vanrose (44:56.544)
Okay. Yeah.
Jessica Vanrose (45:04.8)
Yeah, I love this.
Ann Hince (45:08.458)
Good.
Jessica Vanrose (45:12.43)
Yeah, this is this is awesome. Well, yeah, so any any final advice or?
Ann Hince (45:20.869)
Well, one thing I do really like to share because I didn't know this years ago, right? I was suicidal as a teenager. It's like, I didn't know what the point of life was or why bother, but there is so much more depth to life at this point, right? With this depth of awareness.
than I ever knew was possible before. I can feel music inside my body because I've released all those barriers to it so I can feel it inside my body which means having a conversation with someone is different because I know I'm taking in those sound waves in a different way than I was before so I can notice if someone is breathing deeply or not. When we're lying
we don't breathe into our full body because we don't want to see what the truth is underneath there. So you can tell when you can feel yourself deeply inside, you can feel other people deeply inside as well. And, you know, our skull is our echo chamber for our voice, right? So I can sing different notes, notes that I couldn't sing before, that I can sing now.
Jessica Vanrose (46:15.448)
Okay.
Jessica Vanrose (46:22.626)
Hmm.
Ann Hince (46:34.031)
And I've released my breath enough that I could hold a note for a long time and I couldn't do that before. So there's all sorts of, know, subtle changes that come about that make life fun. Yeah.
Jessica Vanrose (46:48.332)
That's amazing. Yeah, wow. Like absolutely incredible. I was going to say for the like sensing people, I definitely experienced that but I feel like this might not be connected but I thought I would ask. So I'm an empath. So I can like sense shifts very quickly and easily. Is that
connected to this?
Ann Hince (47:18.969)
I think empath is a depth of awareness that is an awareness there. And I would say that I was that too. But we can take on those emotions and think that they are other people's and then not deal with them. Or we can assume because we can feel them inside of us that they are partly ours and we can work with them.
Right? So we can be manipulated by other people's emotions, or we can work with those emotions and realize that we don't have to be manipulated by them. Right? So if I'm sensing someone else, I'm sensing some emotion in someone else, I'm sensing them inside of me. Therefore, I would tap on them and let it go because then you can stand in your own power. Yeah.
Jessica Vanrose (47:43.47)
Mmm.
Jessica Vanrose (48:02.582)
Hmm.
Jessica Vanrose (48:09.32)
Yeah, so you're not, so you don't take it in fully and like allow it to become part of you.
Ann Hince (48:17.487)
Right, I do take it in, the tapping has to allow it. But I would talk through it, okay, I really feel that that person over there is having a hard time. I can feel it inside of me. Where can I feel it inside of me? Right? Once you're aware, you'll be able to pinpoint where it is. I can feel that tension in my solar plexus.
Jessica Vanrose (48:19.703)
Hmm.
Ann Hince (48:38.487)
and I will tap through that and allow that to release then I'm allowing them to be them they can go through their own thing I can be aware that they're going through their own thing but it's no longer affecting me yeah
Jessica Vanrose (48:54.722)
Okay. Where you feel it in the body, is it the chakras? Or is it... it's anywhere? Okay. Okay.
Ann Hince (49:02.799)
No, it's all over. Yes, yes. And I found through doing podcasts, you know, I'll ask people can you feel where something like frustration is in your body and people will give all sorts of different answers. So that depends, I think on our level of the onion, right? How far, how deep have we got? And it will be different.
Jessica Vanrose (49:20.448)
Yeah.
Ann Hince (49:24.649)
one year maybe if you do a year of work and you come back okay where's frustration being held now you'll have released many many layers and you will feel frustration in a different place than you did before.
Jessica Vanrose (49:36.713)
Yeah, interesting. Yeah, frustration, like you asked me before, frustration, I don't know if I can pinpoint that one. But there are definitely other feelings that I would be able to pinpoint, like anger, that's like, that's in my blood. Okay, my blood is boiling.
Ann Hince (49:58.445)
But people will often say, right, anger could be in the fists, right? It could be in the jaw. A lot of people hold anger in the jaw or the shoulders. Yeah, it's different. But that's how we learn, right? As a child, that's how we learn those emotions, right? A mother or parent or teacher or something will say to a child, you're frustrated or you're angry.
Jessica Vanrose (50:01.665)
Yeah.
Jessica Vanrose (50:05.986)
Yeah. Yeah. I feel... Yeah.
Ann Hince (50:22.925)
And that child will associate the tension or the feeling inside of their body with the word. So it could be different for different children, how they determine what that word feels like to them. So we're kind of reversing that process here, coming back to being children. We're letting go of the word itself and feeling those feelings underneath it.
Jessica Vanrose (50:28.855)
Hmm.
Jessica Vanrose (50:32.45)
Mm -hmm.
Jessica Vanrose (50:39.521)
Yeah.
Jessica Vanrose (50:46.878)
Yeah, this definitely seems very tied to your inner child work. Or like, at least going back to childhood for like your beliefs and the things that you were taught. On the comment about the emotions, like, do you think that we should or do you even have an opinion on this? Do you think that we should be?
Ann Hince (51:00.699)
Yes. Yes.
Jessica Vanrose (51:14.396)
naming those emotions for the kids. Like, as in if we can, if we feel like they're frustrated, saying like, you're frustrated, or allowing them to, I mean, they might not know the word, but just allowing them to express it.
Ann Hince (51:35.333)
Well, I think probably using the word is useful, but absolutely maybe asking, where do you feel it? Where do you feel that tension? Right? Can you just allow that tension to be felt? I'm not quite sure how you put that in words for a child, but just like sit and feel, feel that frustration. Just allow yourself to feel frustrated. It's okay to feel frustrated. Right? Most of the time, I think children do not feel they don't have the time or they're not allowed to feel those emotions and they get stored inside.
Jessica Vanrose (51:38.637)
you
Jessica Vanrose (51:55.116)
Yeah.
Ann Hince (52:05.867)
But if we just allow them to feel it, just like a deer would do, Once it's got free from a lion, a deer will just stand there and shake it all off. And that's what we need to do. We just need to feel it and just let it go.
Jessica Vanrose (52:06.156)
Yeah.
Jessica Vanrose (52:15.394)
Mm -hmm.
Jessica Vanrose (52:20.064)
Right. Yeah, because I learned that recently that animals when they shake, it's that they're they have excess energy and they're like, regulating their nervous system, which is so cool. yeah, we can just shake. Yeah, that's really fascinating. The untethered soul.
Ann Hince (52:33.91)
Yes, right, so we should be able to do that too.
Jessica Vanrose (52:48.222)
like we were talking about before that was that book was pretty life changing for me because that is when I learned like about the triggers I mean obviously I had an understanding of it before but it was never put in that way and also just really learning that if you don't feel the feeling
then it's just going to stay in you. So like you can choose to have that moment, maybe, you know, like the 10 minutes or 15 minutes or whatever of feeling this really intense emotion and then it's gone. Or you can choose to push it away, repress it, and then you're going to constantly be dealing with it for the
Whoever knows how long until it's actually finally out of you
Ann Hince (53:54.831)
Yeah, it all gets stuck inside and we are so good at suppressing and repressing and bypassing all these emotions. And we don't realize that it just gets stuck inside. And then it builds that house that he talks about that that we're like in a prison cell and we have no idea. And that's part of my journey is like, I've realized we have so much tension stored inside of us. It's unbelievable.
No one would believe how much tension I have felt and released inside of my body. And I had no idea it was there. It was just hidden. It's all hidden from our awareness. And we just don't realize we're in this prison. And until we start doing this work and we become aware, there's another layer of freedom, another layer of freedom, just one after the other. We can just keep going.
Jessica Vanrose (54:30.081)
Yeah.
Ann Hince (54:46.499)
and just becoming aware at each layer. And, you know, it's just, kind of, we keep ourselves safe because if I had been aware of all this tension right, right at the beginning, I probably would have died because it was just unbelievable, unbearable. And we're not, we're just shown it one layer at a time. And we only have to work through one layer at a time.
Jessica Vanrose (55:09.76)
Yeah, well, that is the incredible thing about our bodies and our minds is that we really are only given what we can handle at that time. And then, like you said, as you're working through it, more will come up. I think that's why they say a healing journey, because it literally never ends.
Ann Hince (55:32.909)
Right. I do think there is an end, but it's a long way away for me at least.
Jessica Vanrose (55:39.422)
Yeah, same. Well, thank you so much, Anne. This has been amazing. So incredibly informative. I cannot wait to try this.
Ann Hince (55:53.848)
Well, thank you. It's been really fun. It was a really fun conversation.
Jessica Vanrose (55:57.182)
Yeah, yeah, I had a great time.
